[天尊] 濱口:遊戲直播助長了RPG遊戲的危機

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Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Director Says Streamers Might Be Contributing To RPG “Crisis” https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-revelation-director-says- streamers-might-be-contributing-to-rpg-crisis/ Over the years, there’s been plenty of speculation as to why RPGs–and turn-based RPGs in particular–aren’t quite as popular as they once were. While there’s no one right answer to as to why this is the case, what is clear is this is particularly bad news for companies like Square Enix. Though the studio has diversified its portfolio over the years and has been keen to add modern twists to its old formulas, it’s no secret that even its blockbuster titles aren’t performing as well as the company would hope. Ahead of Final Fantasy VII Revelation’s 2027 release, its director, Naoki Hamaguchi, has offered an interesting perspective on why that might be. 多年來,關於角色扮演遊戲(尤其是回合製角色扮演遊戲)為何不如以往受歡迎的猜測層 出不窮。雖然個中緣由尚無定論,但顯而易見的是,這對像史克威爾艾尼克斯這樣的公司 來說無疑是個壞消息。儘管這家工作室近年來不斷拓展產品線,並致力於在其經典模式中 融入現代元素,但其即便是一些大作的銷量也未達到預期,這已是公開的秘密。在《最終 幻想VII:啟示錄》於2027年發售之際,其總監濱口直樹就此提出了一個有趣的見解。 In an interview with 4Gamer, Hamaguchi explained that streamers might be contributing to the genre’s decline. Whereas genres like shooters, strategy games, or even life-sims are reliant upon player input and offer more varied outcomes, Hamaguchi theorizes that more straightforward, narrative-heavy experiences could enable people to “simply watch a stream and feel satisfied without ever playing the game themselves.” 在接受4Gamer採訪時,濱口解釋說,直播可能是導致該類型遊戲衰落的原因之一。射擊遊 戲、策略遊戲,甚至是生活模擬遊戲等類型都依賴玩家的操作,並提供更多樣化的結果, 而濱口則認為,更直接、敘事性更強的遊戲體驗可能會讓人們「僅僅觀看直播就能獲得滿 足感,而無需親自玩遊戲」。 “One thing RPGs like Final Fantasy need to be careful about today is the possibility that people might simply watch a stream and feel satisfied without ever playing the game themselves,” Hamaguchi said. “This is a bit of a crisis for the work itself, or rather, it’s not something game creators can wholeheartedly celebrate. If people watch a stream and it makes them think, ‘What would I do in that situation?’ or ‘How would I experiment with that?’, then hopefully they’ll be inspired to try it themselves.” 「像《最終幻想》這樣的角色扮演遊戲如今需要注意的一點是,人們可能會僅僅觀看直播 就感到滿足,而無需親自體驗遊戲,」濱口說道。 「這對遊戲本身來說是一個危機,或 者更確切地說,這不是遊戲開發者可以真正樂見的。如果人們觀看直播後會思考‘如果我 身處那種境地會怎麼做?’或者‘我會如何嘗試?’,那麼希望他們能受到啟發,親自去 嘗試。” Hamaguchi made it clear that he doesn’t fault streamers for this, but instead looks at it as an opportunity for RPG makers. According to the director, it is becoming more important than ever for developers to create titles that feature elements of decision making and choice. 濱口明確表示,他並不怪罪主播們,反而認為這是角色扮演遊戲開發者的機會。這位總監 認為,對於開發者來說,創作包含決策和選擇元素的遊戲比以往任何時候都更重要。 “If we simply limit the game to only experiencing the story, players might find it more enjoyable to watch videos from their favorite influencers or YouTubers,” Hamaguchi continued. 「如果我們只是將遊戲限制在體驗故事情節上,玩家可能會覺得觀看他們喜歡的網紅或 YouTuber 的影片更有樂趣,」濱口繼續說道。 ------------------------------------------------- FF銷量下滑不是因為直播 是因為遊戲品質差吧 -- 今晚你選那一個姿勢?? ○ "○ ○" ○" (|\ (|\ )) )) ○╭○rz ○rz ○rz-st○ /`○rz /`○r27\" ○r27\"  ̄′ ○=^ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 218.173.32.50 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1781343885.A.A92.html

06/13 17:46, 1天前 , 1F
你直播了我們的鑲金大便不就被看出來了嗎?
06/13 17:46, 1F

06/13 17:48, 1天前 , 2F
所以他說了遊戲要有劇情以外的亮點呀
06/13 17:48, 2F

06/13 17:48, 1天前 , 3F
東西不好玩 作業感重 就別怪玩家只想看劇情啊
06/13 17:48, 3F

06/13 17:48, 1天前 , 4F
本體是遊戲又不是劇本
06/13 17:48, 4F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 5F
只有劇情但其他體驗一坨的遊戲 看實況就好了
06/13 17:49, 5F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 6F
33表示:真的假的?
06/13 17:49, 6F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 7F
爛就爛理由一堆 hehe
06/13 17:49, 7F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 8F
聽他亂講 別家JRPG沒賣很差耶...人家劇情系統都比你好
06/13 17:49, 8F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 9F
阿 你們又做的更慢怪誰啊?
06/13 17:49, 9F

06/13 17:49, 1天前 , 10F
不就是因為不好玩
06/13 17:49, 10F

06/13 17:51, 1天前 , 11F
OP
06/13 17:51, 11F

06/13 17:51, 1天前 , 12F
爛遊戲怕人家看
06/13 17:51, 12F

06/13 17:53, 1天前 , 13F
遊戲直播這行都出來幾年了 就你FF還在怪直播
06/13 17:53, 13F

06/13 17:54, 1天前 , 14F
做一坨怕人看喔:)
06/13 17:54, 14F

06/13 17:54, 1天前 , 15F
只有你
06/13 17:54, 15F

06/13 17:56, 1天前 , 16F
RPG直播起來超無聊的好嗎 滿足什麼
06/13 17:56, 16F

06/13 17:56, 1天前 , 17F
會看的都是已經玩過想看劇情反應而已
06/13 17:56, 17F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 18F
rpg因為直播賣不好???
06/13 18:00, 18F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 19F
八方旅人不是rpg嗎?還是八方旅人不是se的?
06/13 18:00, 19F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 20F
我看那啥地平線、朋友遊戲 poka啥的 直播到一堆人想買耶
06/13 18:00, 20F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 21F
rpg劇情要有實況效果通常都要很有梗或是實況主反應有發
06/13 18:00, 21F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 22F
揮空間
06/13 18:00, 22F

06/13 18:00, 1天前 , 23F
大家知道SE之前最紅的實況反應是哪次嗎?
06/13 18:00, 23F

06/13 18:01, 1天前 , 24F
是FF14 5.0開頭那段
06/13 18:01, 24F

06/13 18:01, 1天前 , 25F
意思是大家都不上當害我銷量不好
06/13 18:01, 25F

06/13 18:01, 1天前 , 26F
rpg我真不知道 我印象說追過的rpg直播是 快速通關另類rpg
06/13 18:01, 26F

06/13 18:02, 1天前 , 27F
好遊戲不怕人看吧 你做一坨人家看了當然就被勸退
06/13 18:02, 27F

06/13 18:02, 1天前 , 28F
印像中* 就是那種極特殊的rpg 看人家玩真的蠻有趣的
06/13 18:02, 28F

06/13 18:02, 1天前 , 29F
還真的把自家作品當成電影大作
06/13 18:02, 29F

06/13 18:03, 1天前 , 30F
bg3:歐 是歐?
06/13 18:03, 30F

06/13 18:03, 1天前 , 31F
33:
06/13 18:03, 31F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 32F
有沒有可能是因為你們爛?
06/13 18:04, 32F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 33F
專業的製作人應該要思考怎樣讓直播觀眾也會想買
06/13 18:04, 33F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 34F
而不是怪大環境害他們賣不好
06/13 18:04, 34F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 35F
這串提到的bg3 朋友遊戲 pokopia和SE的遊戲都有區別
06/13 18:04, 35F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 36F
ff12表示毫無影響~反正沒人在乎劇情
06/13 18:04, 36F

06/13 18:04, 1天前 , 37F
就是SE的劇情遊戲實況主可以發揮的部分比較少
06/13 18:04, 37F

06/13 18:05, 1天前 , 38F
任天堂主打的遊戲大多是"創作類遊戲"
06/13 18:05, 38F

06/13 18:05, 1天前 , 39F
DQ11:自己爛不要怪直播 還是我不是你們SE的
06/13 18:05, 39F
還有 137 則推文
06/13 19:17, 1天前 , 177F
禁實況多少還是有用啦,畢竟大咖會被影響到
06/13 19:17, 177F

06/13 19:18, 1天前 , 178F
像最近木村之龍系列好像才談好版權問題,企業箱開始有
06/13 19:18, 178F

06/13 19:18, 1天前 , 179F
人實況
06/13 19:18, 179F

06/13 19:21, 1天前 , 180F
不否認有影響 但關鍵還是劇情愈來愈爛 否則這年頭好遊戲口
06/13 19:21, 180F

06/13 19:21, 1天前 , 181F
碑傳很快的
06/13 19:21, 181F

06/13 19:22, 1天前 , 182F
現代人哪有那麼多時間可以踩雷
06/13 19:22, 182F

06/13 19:24, 1天前 , 183F
看看33怎麼做的,其實跟以前FF7很像,跑重要劇情的地圖
06/13 19:24, 183F

06/13 19:24, 1天前 , 184F
大一點,不重要的一張圖帶過(雖然說地圖導引不太好)
06/13 19:24, 184F

06/13 19:24, 1天前 , 185F
,7R把自己玩沒了
06/13 19:24, 185F

06/13 19:25, 1天前 , 186F
一堆過場迷宮地圖都原版的好幾倍大在拖台錢
06/13 19:25, 186F

06/13 19:26, 1天前 , 187F
然後可能做了這麼大的地圖,不多塞劇情浪費,又寫了一
06/13 19:26, 187F

06/13 19:26, 1天前 , 188F
堆水放進去
06/13 19:26, 188F

06/13 19:27, 1天前 , 189F
現在隨便一個RPG都比當年FF7 文本還長
06/13 19:27, 189F

06/13 19:28, 1天前 , 190F
去抓魚吧
06/13 19:28, 190F

06/13 19:35, 1天前 , 191F
只有劇情可看,可玩性、娛樂性很低的遊戲上直播根本照妖
06/13 19:35, 191F

06/13 19:35, 1天前 , 192F
鏡,上YT找遊戲剪輯就夠了
06/13 19:35, 192F

06/13 19:49, 1天前 , 193F
好玩的東西不怕看
06/13 19:49, 193F

06/13 19:54, 1天前 , 194F
就算優點只有劇情,只要玩起來不會很痛苦,演出又還行
06/13 19:54, 194F

06/13 19:55, 1天前 , 195F
的未必不會想買,但你整款遊戲難玩得要死,能看的又只
06/13 19:55, 195F

06/13 19:55, 1天前 , 196F
有漂亮的畫面,那當然是看直播痛苦的玩一遍就省下來阿
06/13 19:55, 196F

06/13 20:21, 1天前 , 197F
ff7三部曲做這麼多年都冷了,超冷飯可以炒到飯是冷的
06/13 20:21, 197F

06/13 20:21, 1天前 , 198F
,也是不容易
06/13 20:21, 198F

06/13 20:42, 1天前 , 199F
為什麼不去玩根本原因是要花時間 有人不想花
06/13 20:42, 199F

06/13 20:43, 1天前 , 200F
至於沒辦法誘使人花時間體驗是誰的錯我不好說
06/13 20:43, 200F

06/13 21:05, 1天前 , 201F
我以為是黃金傳說那位
06/13 21:05, 201F

06/13 21:14, 1天前 , 202F
33就是遊戲好玩到被直播劇透也會吸引人去玩啊
06/13 21:14, 202F

06/13 21:15, 1天前 , 203F
真的要說被打擊到的根本不是RPG而是AVG吧
06/13 21:15, 203F

06/13 21:23, 1天前 , 204F
以天尊他們家遊戲的變化跟創意度來說 可能吧
06/13 21:23, 204F

06/13 21:23, 1天前 , 205F
那是自己的問題 先檢討自己比較實際
06/13 21:23, 205F

06/13 22:01, 1天前 , 206F
分成好玩 跟 不好玩用看的就好
06/13 22:01, 206F

06/13 22:02, 1天前 , 207F
像FF7我用看的可以跳過那堆小遊戲
06/13 22:02, 207F

06/13 22:02, 1天前 , 208F
但xb我會買來跑大地圖
06/13 22:02, 208F

06/13 23:00, 1天前 , 209F
他這樣說然後最近還不是相比過去大量釋出給人轉播 想來
06/13 23:00, 209F

06/13 23:00, 1天前 , 210F
宣傳剛上市的7-2跟播種明年7-3 根本腦殘
06/13 23:00, 210F

06/14 01:18, 1天前 , 211F
時代變了 托台錢沒人玩 現在甚麼東西都很快
06/14 01:18, 211F

06/14 01:18, 1天前 , 212F
以後估計都AI 操作 下指令AI自動控制
06/14 01:18, 212F

06/14 09:52, 1天前 , 213F
我都是看了直播才多買沒接觸過的遊戲
06/14 09:52, 213F

06/14 14:04, 1天前 , 214F
F7切三塊賣,玩家可以分次給嗎?
06/14 14:04, 214F

06/14 16:48, 1天前 , 215F
蛤? 柏德之門第一個不同意,直播越多越紅欸
06/14 16:48, 215F

06/14 18:47, 22小時前 , 216F
做了一個大便還逼別人吃?看看33號遠征好嗎
06/14 18:47, 216F
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